Council To Address Animal Feeding On Tuesday

By Elisha Dorfsmith

At their May 14 work session, the Flagstaff City Council will look into a possible Animal Feeding Ordinance currently being pushed by Arizona Game and Fish. According to Council Member Jeff Oravits, this ordinance should only apply to large game and not squirrels and birds.

The push for an ordinance stems from issues at Continental Country Club where residents are feuding over the right to put food out for deer, elk and other large wild animals.

A petition being circulated around town against the ordinance reportedly has several hundred signatures. Just about everyone I have talked to is opposed to an ordinance. I personally don’t think we need another law that punishes everyone just because a handful of people are having a problem.

International Energy Code

The Council will also be considering adoption of the 2012 International Energy Code. If adopted as is, this code will bring about major changes in how buildings are constructed within the City limits. It will also greatly increase the cost of construction.

The biggest change would be the the requirement of raised heel trusses to accommodate R-49 attic insulation. This change in truss design will necessitate 9′ sheets of siding rather than the standard 8′ as well as possible installation of an air ventilation system because the building would end up being too air tight.

As a member of the Flagstaff Sustainability commission, I have submitted several suggestions for changes to the code. The Flagstaff Sustainability Commission as a whole also voted to officially recommend 1 pint over waterless urinals at our April meeting. Minutes from that meeting can be found here:


Should the City of Flagstaff ban the feeding of large game?


  1. sharon k.
    May 10, 2013 at 12:33 pm

    i’m stunned…these homeowners are actually stupid enough to FEED large game – near their houses???? there are so many reasons to NOT do that…but i don’t really think we need an ordinance. the situation is, imo, a darwinian moment in the making.

    here’s what i mean…years ago, i did alot of camping on assateague island, where the wild horses live (i.e. “bears with hooves”). tourists were always feeding the horses, despite regulations prohibiting such, and so the animals would regularly cruise through the campground iso unattended coolers and trash bags and the odd loaf of bread. i’d drive them away and try to educate the folks around me, frequently earning a reputation as a crazed horse-hating killjoy.

    one morning as i was drinking my coffee, the horses invaded a site near mine – coolers had been left out, food was still on the table, and trash left unsecured when the still sleeping campers had retired for the night. i grabbed my noisemakers and my resolve and headed down to shoo them off…and just as the last horse walked off in search of easier pickings, the couple camped on the other side of me ran up with their camera, outraged, demanding to know why the heck i’d ruined their photoshoot. with much forbearance i politely went into educational mode and was rewarded with ugly words and a snarky parting shot…

    about an hour later, in an ironic twist of fate, as the snarky couple was enjoying their granola (in between shooting me dirty looks), the horses invaded their campsite. having run screaming for the refuge of their suv, the couple watched in horror as the horses destroyed their tent and their cooler, ate their breakfast, knocked the camera into the sand, strewed trash everywhere, chewed the protruding parts of the suv, and when all was done, lifted their tails and did what horses do with lifted tails, and then strolled off.

    i am a bad person – i confess to watching it all over coffee, with a smile on my face. within the hour they had packed up what was left of their gear. i waved as they drove off…

    darwin won.

    it’s an awful situation that homeowners out there are experiencing real property damage – and i am sympathetic to their plight. having stupid, irresponsible neighbors sucks. i would prefer, in lieu of regulation, that neighbors would work things out in a considerate, neighborly way – but in our culture this is rarely the case. as with the ponies on assateague, folks who want to feed bambi aren’t really going to care that there are laws against it – regulating shortsighted behavior is usually ineffective and broad regulation which hasn’t been thought through carefully often has unintended consequences.

    i don’t know…maybe the best solution, in the end, would be to leave it in darwin’s capable hands?

    • May 10, 2013 at 3:03 pm

      Great thoughts and great story! Thanks for your comments Sharon.

  2. Diane Jarvis
    May 11, 2013 at 7:14 pm

    I live behind the “feeder” and next to the “complainer.” Here is the big picture, which I’m guessing Sharon isn’t aware of in comparing her one experience with wild horses to our neighborhood dispute. I have lived here for 10 years. A selling point on this property was the herds of deer and elk that have lived here for many years, as well as lots of other critters. We have watched the deer and their babies as they grow and have fawns of their own. They move between the ponds on the golf course, munch on our shrubs and flowers, eat the bird and squirrel feed spilled by the blue jays and crows, and sleep in our back yard. They are not aggressive or threatening, and we keep a respectful distance but they don’t run when we walk to our car or take out the trash. The “feeder” has been putting out a few buckets of specially-mixed food for a few years since the hard winter, but it is not a significant amount and is not any more of an enticement than the water, shrubs and spilled seed that they eat in every yard. The “complainer” was mostly upset with the noisy crows that joined the deer, and doesn’t really have any landscaping to speak of. His yard is natural, like most of us in this area, with a few plants, shrubs, and the occasional flowers. The other “complainer” is selling his home and, ironically, has highlighted the deer and wildlife as a selling point in his MLS listing. As I have noted to the Council, Fish and Game reported only 12 calls regarding wildlife issues last year, so less than 1% of our population is having an issue with wildlife in general. We have had no human/deer accidents in this neighborhood, and none that I know of in the city are attributed to feeding. As long as we have lush golf courses with water features, yards with yummy plants, and “legal” bird and squirrel feeders, we will have our neighborhood deer. We haven’t seen the elk for several years, contrary to the Daily Sun editorial. This is much ado about nothing, and the Council needs to move on to more important, and relevant, issues.

    • May 11, 2013 at 8:58 pm

      Thank you so much for your perspective Diane. I have seen the herds of deer in Country Club and they are beautiful to watch. It’s great to hear from someone who lives in the area.

  3. Lamont
    June 23, 2013 at 11:51 pm

    Very interesting post. I don’t think this ordinance is needed at all.

  4. wifi range extender
    July 6, 2013 at 3:53 pm

    Say no to an animal feeding ordinance!!!

  5. celestron telescope
    July 7, 2013 at 10:51 am

    I will leave Flagstaff is this ordinance is passed.

  6. Cody
    July 8, 2013 at 11:50 pm

    No animal feeding ordinance for Flagstaff.

  7. external hd
    July 14, 2013 at 6:18 am

    This ordinance is stupid.

  8. 2 person tent
    July 16, 2013 at 10:35 am

    This is Agenda 21 coming to Flagstaff.

  9. leaf vacuum
    July 20, 2013 at 12:33 pm

    The City of Flagstaff knows better than this. Wow.

  10. stick vacuum
    July 22, 2013 at 3:39 am

    This is crazy.

  11. tourmaline ceramic flat iron
    July 25, 2013 at 10:13 am

    I saw that the Council will be taking this issue up soon. Call the Council and tell them to vote NO!

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