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Occupy Wall Street “Astroturf” Comes To Flagstaff

By Elisha Dorfsmith

What seems to have started as a legitimate movement has now turned into a power struggle as special interest groups try to hijack “Occupy Wall Street” protests and turn them into a platform to promote big government programs. Some people I talk to still think these protests are 100% grassroots but the recent rally in Flagstaff is proof positive that these events are being taken over by powerful special interest groups. All one has to do is look at the signs the protestors are holding and connect the dots to which organizations they represent.


Simply put, this is “astroturf” and NOT even remotely grassroots.

Earlier today I posted my thoughts on the Progressive Democrats of Northern Arizona’s Facebook page and commented on some of the signs in their pictures. Within minutes, I was banned and blocked and my comments were deleted.  Apparently the truth hurts and some people don’t want it getting out.

Here are a few of the signs from the Flagstaff event:

Union astroturf.

More union astroturf.

Democratic party (Progressive Democrats of America) astroturf.

Somebody forgot to check and see how many rich evil guys and corporations are making big $$$ on Obamacare?

Dude, I thought Obama gave you health care?

Greedy people like Michael Moore who earned $19.8 million dollars on a single film and complained he didn’t get enough?

Alright, I will give credit where credit is due. The person holding the End The Fed sign has it right. If these protestors want to fight a legitimate fight they should focus their energy on the Federal Reserve. I’d join them in a heartbeat.

Earlier this year I wrote about the agenda of some of the groups at these protests. That article should help shed some light on what is happening today:

Flag Progressives Push For Constitutional Amendment

10/12/2011 UPDATE: I have officially been banned from the Occupy Flagstaff facebook page for defending the tea party and criticizing public unions. My positive comments about ending corporate welfare, ending the Federal Reserve and ending the wars have all been removed. Ironically, they claim that they are an inclusive movement.

10/15/2011 UPDATE: Attended the Occupy Flagstaff protest today and handed out lots of Ron Paul end the FED literature and had several very productive conversations. I was surprised to find that many protestors support ending the FED and are big supporters of Ron Paul. Several people wanted Ron Paul bumper stickers.

That said, there were still a lot of Dems there trying to push their agenda and several times we were yelled at and told to leave. They seemed to be frustrated that people were listening to what we had to say rather than submitting to their agenda.

To sum it up, there is some “astroturf” trying to hijack the movement but there are also many others who are open to learning more about the truth. Where this movement goes is anybody’s guess but I was encouraged by the people I talked to today.


  1. October 7, 2011 at 6:29 pm

    Just got this email lol:

    “I’ve banned you from the Progressive Democrats Page on facebook – nothing personal, but we have work to do and your comments are a distraction. It’s not a libertarian page and I’m sure you have a better audience elsewhere. I have banned others as well – we believe in divergent views but within a progressive framework – thanks for your consideration here.”

    Yep, truth IS a distraction when it sheds light on their lies and propaganda.

  2. October 7, 2011 at 7:18 pm

    Well then get your apathetic and wrong ASSuming butt down town , city Hall ,Sat. show up or SHUT UP ! This is GRASS roots and we will not stop soon ~ What do you think powerful interest groups are , they start somewhere and DO something consistently to succeed???

  3. October 7, 2011 at 7:29 pm

    Sorry Heather. I have cold hard facts that these protests are astroturf. No assuming here.

  4. October 7, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    And don’t call me apathetic. Read this blog and you’ll see that you’re the one who is ASSuming.

  5. la la
    October 7, 2011 at 7:33 pm

    what are your cold hard facts? Even if some people protesting are related to special interests, NOT all are…THAT is a fact!

  6. October 7, 2011 at 7:38 pm

    Here’s one to start:



    If you had read my post before commenting you would have seen that I was not accusing every person there of being astroturf. There were a few people there with a legitimate message (End The Fed people etc.)

  7. October 8, 2011 at 7:48 am

    I would say they all have legitimate gripes, as in they believe what they’re saying, however, my complaint is that they want the Feds to fix what the Feds helped break. That’s not likely to happen. I just hope that the Occupy Wall Street protestors remember who’s pepper spraying them, because it’s not the bankers.

  8. October 8, 2011 at 7:49 am

    Some food for thought..

    The First Manifesto of the Wall Street Protesters!

  9. October 8, 2011 at 11:07 pm

    While the unions and the Democratic party and other special interest groups are working overtime to hijack the occupy wall street movement, some who are showing up have legitimate concerns. I agree that we need to reach out to them and try to get them to focus on important issues like ENDING THE FEDERAL RESERVE, bringing the troops home, ending bailouts and fighting big government. Here’s a link to the occupy Flagstaff page:


    Join me in giving them some direction.

  10. October 9, 2011 at 7:51 am

    One of our lovely “Progressive Democrats” said to me as he saw me walking around, talking to folks, “keep walking, you’re in the wrong crowd”. People, we’re on the same damn side, get that through your thick skull. The difference is, you want the corporate to fix the corporate, and I want to empower the people to make the corporate a thing of the past.

    With them it has to be you agree with everything they say, or you are to be cast out. That’s the arrogance that will make them a thing of the past. The people just want jobs and things a to be more affordable, and they are completely out of touch. They don’t want what’s best for the people, they just want to get their way.

  11. Bill Tippett
    October 10, 2011 at 5:03 am

    I see no difference between them and their sabre rattling neo-con cousins–they both hijacked what started out as protests of we the people. Their red hot vehemence blinds them to the fact they are just handmaidens to the elite.

  12. October 10, 2011 at 6:22 am

    I agree 100% Bill.

  13. October 10, 2011 at 7:01 am

    “We are the borg, resistance is futile”

  14. October 10, 2011 at 7:59 am

    Bout sums it up

  1. October 22, 2011 at 7:46 pm

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