Flag Tea Party Turns Against Ron Paul?

By Elisha Dorfsmith

When Ron Paul announced that he was officially seeking the presidency, I told myself that I would do my very best to keep the Ron Paul blog posts to a minimum. I know that I have a tendency to sound like a broken record when I am passionate about something and I didn’t want to focus all my attention on the presidential campaign. Unfortunately, keeping my mouth shut has been much harder than I thought it would be…especially since the establishment elite on both the left and right are increasing their attacks on Ron Paul and the liberty movement.

Last night, my wife and I spent the evening handing out Ron Paul literature at the biweekly Flagstaff Tea Party meeting. I was a little concerned at how the response would be since we had a bit of a negative experience at the previous meeting. Sadly, I was not at all prepared for exactly how negative the response was. A third of the attendees flat out refused to take the literature when they saw that it was for Ron Paul. Others hissed and growled anti Paul remarks and quickly handed the literature back. Even those who were polite and have a lot of respect for my wife and I said that in all honesty they would not be voting for Dr. Paul. When asked why, most would only give a vague answer like “I didn’t like his answers in the debates” or “I just can’t vote for that man.”  My favorite response of the night was “our military bases around the world ensure that America is respected.” I was like excuse me, did you ever stop and think that they may have the opposite effect?

In my frustration, I posted the following on the Flagstaff Tea Party website before I went to bed:

Cindy and I got a lot of hate from the Flagstaff Tea Party tonight for supporting Ron Paul

If the Republican party does not elect a candidate who supports TRUE freedom and liberty and the Constitution, we will vote third party in 2012. The only thing worse than Obama is a Republican who disrespects the Constitution the way Obama does but lulls the tea party back to sleep.


I really don’t care which candidates individual tea party members support but seeing so much animosity toward Ron Paul makes we wonder what the tea party really stands for. I would respect any number of reasons why people would not vote for Ron Paul but what I cannot accept is the way people look at him like he is a villain rather than a tea party hero. I find it disturbing that the biggest defender of freedom and the Constitution is loathed by so many in the Flagstaff Tea Party. It’s a bit shocking because in the past 3 years so many in the group told me that they loved Ron Paul. Now that there is an election, true colors show.

I also posted the above on the Flagstaff Tea Party facebook page and was instantly attacked. I was told that I must vote Republican at all costs no matter who is elected. Ross Perot was brought up as an example of how evil third party voting is.

Obviously, many in the tea party movement have lost their supposed principles and if you don’t stand for your principles what do you stand for? NOTHING!

Should I be surprised? Not really. After all, members of the Flagstaff Tea Party had no problem throwing constitutional senate candidate Jim Deakin under the bus in their hurry to jump on the J.D. Hayworth bandwagon. Smooth talkin’ is always more important than substance. More proof that Americans have zero depth. Appearance holds more weight than defending freedom and liberty and standing up for the Constitution.

Now, I do want to be clear and say that not everybody was against Ron Paul at last night’s meeting. There were a hand full of Paul supporters there that I know of. One saw me complaining on my Facebook page and made sure to let me know that there are other Ron Paul supporters in the group. Another exchanged contact info with me and said it was his first Flagstaff tea party meeting and when he looked at the tea party lending library and saw more Sean Hannity than Ludwig von Mises he knew that the group wasn’t for him.

I have decided that I will continue attending tea party meetings so I can try to explain what true freedom and liberty is and what the Constitutional role of government is. That said, I took the Flagstaff Tea Party bumper sticker off my car today because it is becoming more and more obvious that the group is spending more time attacking liberty than standing up for their supposed principles.

Ron Paul supporters gather at Flagstaff City Hall.


  1. June 22, 2011 at 2:33 pm

    The Tea Party was co-opted from the get go. It is functioning just as the Dick Armey types intended when they grabbed the reins. These folks will go on believing what they are told to believe never realize they are being herded around like sheep right back into the same old left vs right pen.

  2. hankxavier
    June 22, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    Beyond sad how brainwashed the public has become. It’s the medias fault. We need a national media outlet that reports on real constitutional politics.

  3. June 22, 2011 at 2:47 pm

    Mike, you said it perfectly….not much for me to add. I’m in Williams and have only attended one meeting prior to the 08 elections….guess I need to attend another to see if majority here are also ‘sleep walking’ !

  4. Donna Creamer
    June 22, 2011 at 2:49 pm

    This is so disappointing to read. Elisha, I am so sorry you have been having these experiences. I had a good friend tell me a few days ago that he doesn’t believe that Ron Paul is going to be any better than the rest and that he also doesn’t think R.P. is what I think he is. I told him that while I may not agree with some of his personal opinions on some issues, I have great respect for a man that will not let those personal views cloud holding up all our rights by always using the Constitution as his guide. That’s what I want in a President, someone that will respect everyone’s rights based on equality for ALL. Looks like I need to keep backing Ron Paul then!

  5. June 22, 2011 at 2:50 pm

    correction on my comment….it was the 2010 mid-term elections….not the 08 elections!

  6. June 22, 2011 at 3:00 pm

    I just want to reiterate: I honestly don’t expect people to all be supporters of Ron Paul or vote for him but when they turn their energy against Ron Paul it makes me realize that we’re probably not on the same team. Ron Paul is just one man but the liberty he fights for is the same liberty I have been fighting for for years and when people attack his views they attack me and my freedom.

    • Jim_AZ
      June 23, 2011 at 2:15 pm

      –Don’t burn-out. The 2 party system design gives minority ideology the power when the majority divides in the general elections.
      –Adams, Franklin, and Jefferson sought to secure the end of slavery in the Declaration of Independence. They fought like hell, but not quite so far as to lose the Declaration–But, almost.
      –Congress has reasons to deal with each other when they vehemently disagree. Private persons, not so much. Ease, please. Seek to convince, but do not despair.

  7. Steve Thomas
    June 23, 2011 at 8:31 am

    The Tea Party (from my perspective) has become neocon. Not truly conservative. I support R.P. because I believe he is honest. I believe he has the US in his best interest, not big business. But until the Republic is reestablished, we have little chance of having him help lead our great nation. Money is still the biggest influencing factor, not honesty and good will. Very sad. But we must keep our chins up and spread the word. Ron Paul has done much to wake a few people up. That alone is worth our effort!

  8. Bill Tippett
    June 23, 2011 at 11:04 am

    I knew I wanted to be as far away from any “Tea Party” activity as soon as Sarah Palin was deemed a leader of the movement. And I’m still proud of my vote for that other gadfly in ’92. It’s politics as usual over at the Tea Party. Hopefully those who were disheartened by its usurpation will still see a chance to really change things by supporting Ron Paul. You’ve almost got me convinced to change my affiliation to Republican–hard to do when you’ve been a lifelong independent.

    • Jim_AZ
      June 23, 2011 at 2:25 pm

      We need to change the party to what it once was–The Liberty party.
      The change must be made in the primaries.
      My life of “least socialist” votes hasn’t worked-out, so far. Communication is key.

  9. July 1, 2011 at 7:07 am

    Let Freedom Ring – through the Tea Party, through the Liberty party – through Ron Paul – or whoever rises to the top. Let’s get behind them and support them regardless of who it is. “Cut Cap and Balance is the pledge”. This is what we demand and are fighting for. United we stand, divided we become extinct. Don’t let the “push for Liberty” die! Stay vigilant! Don’t let the Tea Party go to sleep.

  10. Bill
    October 25, 2011 at 12:51 am

    It’s no surprise really. Fox News, the propaganda wing of the republican neo-cons co-opted the TEA Party from the start. They saw the trends in polling and it fitted nicely with slamming Obama.

    Ask your fellow Tea Partiers what they think if the proposed Paul budget plan. I’m interested to see how they will reject this plan which you would assume would be a dream come true for fiscal conservatives. No doubt we’ll hear that his foreign policy makes him unacceptable.

    Then you know they aren’t really Tea Party supporters.

  11. Jim_AZ
    October 27, 2011 at 12:15 am

    @Bill and others, as this fits:

    By calling people names you alienate those who would otherwise be your allies on most points of principle.

    Apparently, such personal moral righteousness is found in the particular details of your perceptions or understanding that it is acceptable to lose the support of those with slightly different views, takes, perceptions, levels of development, or Actual understandings.

    It is YOU, name-callers, as much as Anyone, who weaken the opportunity to return to a constitutionally sound federal government. Leave that crap for the 11 year old girls, like Romney and Perry, please. Civility IS necessary for liberty. Try reason, exchange, and civility.

    I am able to find fault in ALL candidates, but FAR less in Paul. To decry evil upon those who do not agree 100% with your views, or a candidates, is… Insane–Because accepting someone (mortal) as perfect in Any pursuit is insane (and policies involve Many pursuits).

    I understand the frustration. Too bad. It is what it is. Deal.

    These are some hard words, but I have held back. They will not make me popular among you, but PERHAPS you will TRY to be civil toward those you would sway to your viewpoint, and if we find a few more followers of liberty, that is more Much better than me finding your approval.

    We SHOULD discuss our concerns about RP’s policies, but we fear to show weakness in our support–The Fact is that my observations of RP’s faulty views are Deep into the correct paths which he takes — And the Others Fail my examinations far sooner; Most never venturing into Any correct path. So, I urge all to follow into the correct paths. Let congress correct any errors he may have, as we wish them to correct the current errors.

    Note: RP correctly, I think, and effectively, conveys the message of Liberty/Constitutionality/Lawfulness in the same manner he wishes to conduct foreign policy–Which is, be friendly to all, and seek enemies of none. With Humorless Irony, you betray that principle on a personal level, for those who do not reach it on an international level. (Maybe it is funny and my mood misses the humor…)

    Note: Armey does not own the heart of Freedom Works, Kibbe does. Armey does have some claws–We just need enough heart to control them.
    Similarly, the R party. If we, the TPs, had half a brain between the 100 million of us, we would have completely overrun the R party offices during the last 3 years–But there was no effective move in that direction.
    In effective criticism of all Supposed National TP movements, like Freedom Works: The Political Insiders PRIMARY concern should have been handing the party power to the constitutionally minded people. They did not do so. Neither, when I have asked, have those of lesser party experience shared their ideas of taking over the party. (Yeah, I should have looked harder, worked harder, etc… But I expected some manual or something… and I have had lots of stuff going on.)

    You can hate me for what I say, but mostly, we are brothers in the cause of freedom. To our success! To the future of our offspring! Let’s be civil and find a way!

    (No, it’s not me…)

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